For the sake of justice and the voice crying out in the desert, here we go again: Usually red wines, even across the quality spectrum will have some particulates on the surface; yet from time to time, you will come across a wine that is more brilliant than others and in this case, Maxville was more vivid in limpidity and clarity, and this wine attribute is the first sign [in the WASM model] that particular care and attention was given to the wine. Moreover, when you look straight down into a quality Cabernet Sauvignon wine, you can't see your fingers or the bottom of the glass. The second indication with WASM of a quality wine is when the color uniformity hue is uniform throughout or just before the tip of the glass in a horizontal position with the wine glass touching on the table with both the top and bottom of the glass. Usually this is the first sign you are in for a quality wine because the color uniformity is uniform but with Maxville, the first two attributes were giving a clear indication this wine is of high quality. Next was the bouquet; one of the best bouquets I have experienced. The manifestation of the oak was so apparent and extremely noteworthy and not only did it go on four hours and hours but for days. For the highest quality wines, sometimes waiting until noon the next day, the wine is still developing and you can still smell the wondrous oak, and, this was the case with the Maxville. The bouquet was so good, that WASM alerted the tasters that this wine was UNderpriced based on the wineqvr score. I have tasted thousands and thousands of wines and it is very rare for a nakedwine to make it to the WASM round, harmonious and lush level for the three taste phases, especially the initial/attack phase, but Maxville rose to the level. Moreover, I was surprised that the vinosity strength attribute of Maxville was only 14.5% ABV. Is there any way to test the alcohol level now; my hunch is it would be 14.8% or higher. Of all the WASM attributes, the overall development or mouthfeel lingering attribute measured in seconds is always the tell-tale sign of a quality wine. With decent wines, you should expect at least 10 seconds and with exceptional wines at least 12 seconds. Maxville registered 15 seconds, scoring high in every wine attribute with the wine being full bodied even with a 14.5% ABV [can you test that ABV again?]. So what is the take away, or as they say, the bottom line. WASM price pointed this wine at $80.26 or a precise rating of 94.31 points, which at the Angel price of $29.99 has a QVR ratio of 167% which means the wine is worth 167% more than the Angel price, and the kicker? If you go to maxvillelakewines.com they have the 2014 Cabernet as $118.00. So $118 is overpriced and 90 points as indicated on the Maxville website is not giving this wine justice nor are the Nakedwine Ratings. I thought to myself how was it even possible to get this wine for $29.99 given all the information here? Now it is out of stock. I would have expected this wine to be 100% rebuy; hence was blown away, when it showed a low 90% rebuy. For all those that rated the wine less than 4 hearts, if you have any more wine remaining [since the wine is out of stock on nakedwines] please let me know and I will send you payment for the shipment costs to ship the wine to me. Something has to be done with the Nakedwines review/rating approach, because a few lower ratings with nothing to do with the quality of the wine [but taste preference] should taint the reality of one of the best QVR Naked wines to date. Camille, all I can say is wow and can you set aside more of your wines that are 8 years old for $29.99 and I will buy the remainder. Still surprised oak was only 50% new with that lingering aroma, maybe going back to the tech sheets and records will reveal 62.5% new oak. Peace, Paul!
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Mitchell Masotti Sonoma Cabernet Sauvignon 2021
by Mitchell Masotti
Price: $ 50.99
Angels: $ 29.99
Camille Benitah Maxville Lake Winery Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon 2014
by Camille Benitah
Price: $ 44.99
Angels: $ 29.99
Scott Peterson ROX of the Andes Argentina Cabernet Sauvignon 2020
by Scott Peterson
Price: $ 32.99
Angels: $ 14.99
Paul on Camille Benitah Maxville Lake Winery Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon 2014
Paul on Scott Peterson ROX of the Andes Argentina Cabernet Sauvignon 2020
I have always been intrigued by math, evaluation, and objective optimized processes. Wine pricing in the industry is done in so many ways based on bottling, labelling, cooperage, length on barrels and obviously on the retail side there needs to be adjustments for wholesale distribution, marketing, advertising, and an extra tier of transportation. So, I started paying even more attention lately to the market price on Nakedwines (NW). Besides, the NW being sold, there are three other wines listed typically from the same region but not the same vintage as in this case with a 4 year differential in vintage which seems a big delta, i.e. why wouldn't you want to compare same region and vintage for a better comparison? Anyway...if you take the average of the other three wines listed, then the NW retail market price is usually within 1 dollar of that average; yet, the standard deviation of the four wines is upwards of $9 between the wines making the wine variance (standard deviation squared) price approaching upwards of $80 that is a LARGE variance, which is no surprise since the three wines chosen as a comparison typically have the higher priced wine listed at double the lower priced wine. How is this a reasonable comparison? Hence, with all the wines in the industry, there would seem to be a tighter grouping of price. Is there a group of people that blind taste all the four wines listed and determine how comparable they are and what method process are they using during this process? My hunch is there is not a tasting and comparison but what is driving the comparison is the wine region because the same vintages are not being used as with this wine. Then NW seems to take that average retail/market price of the three other wines listed and then discount the price by about 50%, presuming that is accounting for the retail margin markup due to marketing and advertising as indicated above. Yet, is this approach indicative of what the actual quality of the wine is in the bottle. My experience says no. Why am I bringing this up on this rating? Because the wine attributes of the ROX Andes Cabernet Sauvignon were very consistent showing brilliant limpidity; impressive color uniformity, bouquet and an overall mouthfeel development of 12 seconds, just at the threshold of an exceptional wine and the taste exhibited fleshy, silky body throughout all taste phases. WASM gave a 92.17 rating making the bottle worth $45.08, even above the highest market price wine provided in the comparable list. So this QV ratio is 200% in quality above the Angel Price. Am I complaining that I am getting a $45 bottle of wine for $14.99? No that is what NW is all about Quality and Value. However, not all the wines score above the highest comparable wine in the market price and sometimes the NW doesn't make it to the Angel Price. So what does this all mean to me? Without tasting the wines in the comparable market retail list in a blind tasting and comparing at the same time, I don't know how this is a reasonable comparison especially in this case comparing a 2016 vintage to a 2020 vintage, which is why there is such a hugh variance in the wine pricing on the market comparison, which induces major issues like with this wine that the quality is 200% more than the angel price, but on the other hand, you have the less favorable situation when a NW doesn't obtain the Angel Price when using an objective approach and wine price point method, like WASM. It seems to me, a group of experienced wine tasters familiar with WASM could get wines from the same vintage and region and blind taste the wines and score them with intent on coming up with better comparables that don't have such a large variance in pricing. That way, the market and retail prices would be more accurate, and, in every case, the wines that Angels receive would be justified to be 50% discounted from retail price. Scott, what a WINE! The epitome of quality and value as not many wines make it to the 200% QV level. Thanks again for all your efforts in the Andes. Paul
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Scott Peterson S.P. Drummer Sonoma Valley Petite Sirah 2019
$42.99
Paul on Scott Peterson S.P. Drummer Sonoma Valley Petite Sirah 2019
This full-bodied wine demonstrated the ABV with powerful robust legs and the color uniformity was to the tip of the glass and on both sides getting a glimpse into the quality early on in the evaluation. The bouquet exhibited spice and oak and in the latter taste phases the wine made it to the robust, solid level. Moreover, this Petite Sirah came in at 13 seconds overall development mouthfeel, which is at the level of only outstanding wines. WASM scored the wine at 92.51 with a price point of $59.68 with a WASM QV percent score of 198%. Scott that is two in a row with the Andes Cabernet Sauvignon and now the S.P. Drummer Petite Sirah. No surprise! VERY Impressive; thanks again for all of your efforts! Paul
Paul on Mitchell Masotti Sonoma Cabernet Sauvignon 2021
This is an incredible wine! The bouquet was very nice exhibiting multiple dimensions in complexity with fruit, spice and oak and the wine was full bodied. From the onset, the taste was round, harmonious and lush which is very UNusual for the average Nakedwine due to the obvious considerations and correlation to quality and price. Moreover, the overall development mouth feel came in at 16 seconds which is also a lot longer than the average Nakedwine. WASM price pointed this wine at $90.45 for a QVR of: 201.61% which is basically unheard of. Obviously, based on everything I have read and witnessed with the market pricing, the goal is for every wine to get a QVR of 100% indicating the wine is worth double the Nakedwine Angel price, noting, as you can see, this wine has become one of the less than handful of wines at Nakedwine that has achieved the 200+% QVR distinction. Thanks again for all your efforts! Paul
Camille Benitah Maxville Lake Winery Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon 2014
$44.99
Paul on Camille Benitah Maxville Lake Winery Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon 2014
For the sake of justice and the voice crying out in the desert, here we go again: Usually red wines, even across the quality spectrum will have some particulates on the surface; yet from time to time, you will come across a wine that is more brilliant than others and in this case, Maxville was more vivid in limpidity and clarity, and this wine attribute is the first sign [in the WASM model] that particular care and attention was given to the wine. Moreover, when you look straight down into a quality Cabernet Sauvignon wine, you can't see your fingers or the bottom of the glass. The second indication with WASM of a quality wine is when the color uniformity hue is uniform throughout or just before the tip of the glass in a horizontal position with the wine glass touching on the table with both the top and bottom of the glass. Usually this is the first sign you are in for a quality wine because the color uniformity is uniform but with Maxville, the first two attributes were giving a clear indication this wine is of high quality. Next was the bouquet; one of the best bouquets I have experienced. The manifestation of the oak was so apparent and extremely noteworthy and not only did it go on four hours and hours but for days. For the highest quality wines, sometimes waiting until noon the next day, the wine is still developing and you can still smell the wondrous oak, and, this was the case with the Maxville. The bouquet was so good, that WASM alerted the tasters that this wine was UNderpriced based on the wineqvr score. I have tasted thousands and thousands of wines and it is very rare for a nakedwine to make it to the WASM round, harmonious and lush level for the three taste phases, especially the initial/attack phase, but Maxville rose to the level. Moreover, I was surprised that the vinosity strength attribute of Maxville was only 14.5% ABV. Is there any way to test the alcohol level now; my hunch is it would be 14.8% or higher. Of all the WASM attributes, the overall development or mouthfeel lingering attribute measured in seconds is always the tell-tale sign of a quality wine. With decent wines, you should expect at least 10 seconds and with exceptional wines at least 12 seconds. Maxville registered 15 seconds, scoring high in every wine attribute with the wine being full bodied even with a 14.5% ABV [can you test that ABV again?]. So what is the take away, or as they say, the bottom line. WASM price pointed this wine at $80.26 or a precise rating of 94.31 points, which at the Angel price of $29.99 has a QVR ratio of 167% which means the wine is worth 167% more than the Angel price, and the kicker? If you go to maxvillelakewines.com they have the 2014 Cabernet as $118.00. So $118 is overpriced and 90 points as indicated on the Maxville website is not giving this wine justice nor are the Nakedwine Ratings. I thought to myself how was it even possible to get this wine for $29.99 given all the information here? Now it is out of stock. I would have expected this wine to be 100% rebuy; hence was blown away, when it showed a low 90% rebuy. For all those that rated the wine less than 4 hearts, if you have any more wine remaining [since the wine is out of stock on nakedwines] please let me know and I will send you payment for the shipment costs to ship the wine to me. Something has to be done with the Nakedwines review/rating approach, because a few lower ratings with nothing to do with the quality of the wine [but taste preference] should taint the reality of one of the best QVR Naked wines to date. Camille, all I can say is wow and can you set aside more of your wines that are 8 years old for $29.99 and I will buy the remainder. Still surprised oak was only 50% new with that lingering aroma, maybe going back to the tech sheets and records will reveal 62.5% new oak. Peace, Paul!
Scott Peterson ROX of the Andes Argentina Cabernet Sauvignon 2020
$32.99
Paul on Scott Peterson ROX of the Andes Argentina Cabernet Sauvignon 2020
I have always been intrigued by math, evaluation, and objective optimized processes. Wine pricing in the industry is done in so many ways based on bottling, labelling, cooperage, length on barrels and obviously on the retail side there needs to be adjustments for wholesale distribution, marketing, advertising, and an extra tier of transportation. So, I started paying even more attention lately to the market price on Nakedwines (NW). Besides, the NW being sold, there are three other wines listed typically from the same region but not the same vintage as in this case with a 4 year differential in vintage which seems a big delta, i.e. why wouldn't you want to compare same region and vintage for a better comparison? Anyway...if you take the average of the other three wines listed, then the NW retail market price is usually within 1 dollar of that average; yet, the standard deviation of the four wines is upwards of $9 between the wines making the wine variance (standard deviation squared) price approaching upwards of $80 that is a LARGE variance, which is no surprise since the three wines chosen as a comparison typically have the higher priced wine listed at double the lower priced wine. How is this a reasonable comparison? Hence, with all the wines in the industry, there would seem to be a tighter grouping of price. Is there a group of people that blind taste all the four wines listed and determine how comparable they are and what method process are they using during this process? My hunch is there is not a tasting and comparison but what is driving the comparison is the wine region because the same vintages are not being used as with this wine. Then NW seems to take that average retail/market price of the three other wines listed and then discount the price by about 50%, presuming that is accounting for the retail margin markup due to marketing and advertising as indicated above. Yet, is this approach indicative of what the actual quality of the wine is in the bottle. My experience says no. Why am I bringing this up on this rating? Because the wine attributes of the ROX Andes Cabernet Sauvignon were very consistent showing brilliant limpidity; impressive color uniformity, bouquet and an overall mouthfeel development of 12 seconds, just at the threshold of an exceptional wine and the taste exhibited fleshy, silky body throughout all taste phases. WASM gave a 92.17 rating making the bottle worth $45.08, even above the highest market price wine provided in the comparable list. So this QV ratio is 200% in quality above the Angel Price. Am I complaining that I am getting a $45 bottle of wine for $14.99? No that is what NW is all about Quality and Value. However, not all the wines score above the highest comparable wine in the market price and sometimes the NW doesn't make it to the Angel Price. So what does this all mean to me? Without tasting the wines in the comparable market retail list in a blind tasting and comparing at the same time, I don't know how this is a reasonable comparison especially in this case comparing a 2016 vintage to a 2020 vintage, which is why there is such a hugh variance in the wine pricing on the market comparison, which induces major issues like with this wine that the quality is 200% more than the angel price, but on the other hand, you have the less favorable situation when a NW doesn't obtain the Angel Price when using an objective approach and wine price point method, like WASM. It seems to me, a group of experienced wine tasters familiar with WASM could get wines from the same vintage and region and blind taste the wines and score them with intent on coming up with better comparables that don't have such a large variance in pricing. That way, the market and retail prices would be more accurate, and, in every case, the wines that Angels receive would be justified to be 50% discounted from retail price. Scott, what a WINE! The epitome of quality and value as not many wines make it to the 200% QV level. Thanks again for all your efforts in the Andes. Paul
Paul on Scott Peterson ROX of the Andes Argentina Malbec 2020
I am very perplexed at this point. I just tasted the best Malbec I have ever tasted and when I click on the market price of the wine, the results are three wines that are listed on wine.com ranging from $40.00 to $24.00, with the retail value of SP Malbec at $31.99. This begs the question, did anybody blind taste the wines listed on wine.com [link from the market price at nakedwines] with the SP Malbec wine? The answer has to be No. Why? Because WASM price pointed the SP Malbec at 91.55 or a price point of $44.78 above the wine from wine.com at $40.00. WASM noted that the features of the SP Malbec wine were primarily due to the color uniformity attribute, the vinosity, the wondrous bouquet and the overall development greater than 12 seconds. Regardless of all this information, why would Nakedwines determine the Angel Price at $14.99, well below the lowest Malbec listed at $24.00? This is the biggest disconnect I have come across with Nakedwines pricing. With this wine, you have a QPR of 198 percent above the cost of wine, which puts this wine at one of the best values of all time, so why such a low price? Others that have tasted the wine say, sssshhhhhhh. But just brings up the point again, how does Nakedwines determine price and based on what objective process? Scott, all I can say is wondrous and thanks for a great wine. Can't wait to taste the other wines in the Andes series. Thanks again and Peace, Paul
Paul on Scott Peterson ROX Sonoma All Blacks 2018
Wow! This wine exhibited round harmonious and lush taste from the onset after having presented color uniformity, just shy of the rim, and one of the best bouquets to date. The legs substantiated the 14.9 ABV and this full bodied wine just crossed the 11 second overall development attribute. WASM price pointed the wine at $59.68, which means the value to Angels is a 198% gain in value with the current Angel price at $19.99. If Cabernet Sauvignon is your varietal, this is the wine you dream of when considering value; yet, with this wine, you defy economics and get quality and deep value simultaneously. Extraordinary and thanks!
Camille Benitah Foncé Cabernet Sauvignon Napa Valley 2016
$44.99
Paul on Camille Benitah Foncé Cabernet Sauvignon Napa Valley 2016
Typically, the first sign of a great wine is during the WASM color uniformity attribute evaluation when the color density goes to the edge of the glass on all sides or just before [when the glass is in the horizontal position on the table]. The legs were notable but not powerful and the oak/spice was predominantly present. The tannins were round and harmonious and the overall development mouth feel lingered just shy of 12 seconds, with the body being medium to full bodied. To me, this wine is the epitome of a nakedwine, i.e. Angel Priced at $25.99 with WASM price pointing at $59.98, or, 131% value for Angels. If you like Cabs, great value cabs, this wine should be in your cellar, as you will surely know now that this is a best value cab.
Paul on Arabella Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon 2017
This is an absolute stellar wine, ESPECIALLY, when considering the Wine Attributes Sensory Model (WASM) Quality Value and Price Point scores. WASM scored this price point at $59.76, just under a 400% QV rating and five times the price, which is one of the best QV ratings I have seen. The WASM overall development was extraordinary for a wine at this price, exceeding 12 second mouth feel with ease, which once again, is very unusual for a wine in this price range. The color uniformity was almost to the edge of the glass in a horizontal glass, parallel to ground view. The reserve Arabella 2017 was very smooth with silky, satin tannins. The only perceived drawback was the aroma which was very subtle and compelled me to ask the aging length and cooperage, which was graciously provided by Stephen. Nine months in French Oak (medium toast) which explains both the smoothness in flavor and the subtleness in aroma to some extent. What would be fascinating is to charge two to three times the price and double the aging process to see if the aroma manifests and becomes more pronounced. Once again, I was blown away to the stars with this wine. WASM was developed for both the vinter/producer and consumer to arrive at just pricing based on objective and precise wine quality and price point evaluation, and, when a wine of this quality is priced so low, considering its actual quality, the just and fairness flag goes up. Stephen raise the price and perhaps that aging experiment will be considered: 18 months in French Oak next time, after you raise the price. Thanks again! Absolutely remarkable. Paul
Paul on Dave Harvey Columbia Valley GSMmm Syrah 2016
This wine is a TREMENDOUS value for Angels as the Wine Attributes Sensory Model (WASM) indicated this wine was worth $45. I have request for clarification of data between the GSMmm and the "straight" Dave Harvey Syrah as the bottles list the ABV % as the same at 14.5 which does not make sense to me as the GSMmm was notably aged longer/more oak in aroma, had more body, more legs and a notable velvety linger and mouthfeel exceeding 12 seconds, which indicates more management and care of the GSMmm when compared to "straight" Syrah
Ana Diogo-Draper Ramazzotti Vineyard Alexander Valley Cabernet Sauvignon 2021
$39.99
Paul on Ana Diogo-Draper Ramazzotti Vineyard Alexander Valley Cabernet Sauvignon 2021
Wine exhibited smooth fleshy taste from the onset with solid/robust tannins. WASM gave a score of 91.14 with a price point of $36.42 and a QVR% score of 34.95%
Ana Diogo-Draper Moon Mountain Sonoma County Cabernet Sauvignon 2021
$35.99
Paul on Ana Diogo-Draper Moon Mountain Sonoma County Cabernet Sauvignon 2021
Tasted this wine early this evening and picked up nuances of oak on the bouquet; yet, as the wine developed; after the one hour decant, could also taste the effects of the oak, but subtle. This wine was round and lush from the onset, which is very unusual for the Angel price. The wine continued to exhibit very balanced , smooth but also rich firm tannins. The overall mouthfeel lasted 15 seconds another indication of the quality of this wine as it transitioned into a more complex full bodied wine. WASM scored the wine at 93.02 with a price point of $60.43 and a QVR% of 108.45%. VERY impressive and thanks again for confirming the aging.
Paul on Arabella Reserve Chardonnay 2021
This was a very smooth wine from the onset with a very pleasant and fruity bouquet. WASM price pointed wine at $14.50 with a QVR of 61.3% VERY Impressive!
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